Hello Scammer

Posted by Gretchen on March 8, 2020
Business

The following is an exchange of emails and texts between me and a potential client. I was well aware in the beginning that he was showing signs of being a scammer, but I was not completely sure, so I played along until he revealed himself.

Joseph William

(J.williamclark134@hotmail.com)

My name is Joseph William, do you create Website design?

Me

Hi Joseph,

Yes, I do web design. Would you like to schedule a time to talk about your needs for a website?

Gretchen Thomas

Joseph William

The company is based on importing and exporting of Office Equipment such as Printer, Scanners, Laminating Machines, Dictation, Computer, Adequate Light, Desk, Multipurpose Machine, Software, Fire-Safe Bix, Network Router, Telephone, Paper Shredder, and Personal Server so I need a best of the best layout design for it. Can you handle that for me? So I need you to check out this site but I need something more perfect than this if its possible .https://avada.theme-fusion.com/classic-shop/… I have a content creator that has the text content and logo for the site .the site would only be informational, so I need you to give me an estimate.

  • I want 12pages with 14 products
  • I want only English language
  • My budget is $10,000-$15,000
  • I want the site running up in 4-5 months
  • Give me your cellphone number
  • Are you the owner

Me

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for sending me a description and example of what you need for your website. I am sure I can create what you want within your budget and time frame.

I am the owner of Zade Balance (I accidentally responded to you from my personal email account the last time). The best time to call is Thursday or Friday. When is a good time for you?

Where are you located? If you’re local to Salt Lake City, would you like to meet with me to discuss the details of your website?

Thank you,

  • Gretchen Thomas
  • 801-200-3590
  • Zade Balance, LLC

Joseph William

I sent you a text.

(The following are the texts from Joseph William)

  • Hi
  • Hello
  • This is Joseph William

Me

Hi Joseph. When is a good time for you to have a conversation over the phone?

Joseph William

What time will you be available?

Me

I am available now.

Joseph William called me and we had a conversation about his website needs. It was clear to me that English was not his native language. Since I also speak Spanish, I asked what language he spoke. He said he did not hear me. When I asked again, he said English. I accepted that.

Me

Where is your company based?

Joseph William

Michigan (His area code was Nevada)

Me

How long has your company been in business?

Joseph William

It is a new company. (He also confirmed that the site would just be informational even though it was an import/export business.)

Me

Is this your company?

Joseph William

Yes.

Me

How did you learn about Zade Balance?

Joseph William

Indeed (my resume and info is indeed on Indeed.)

Me

Why did you choose my company?

Joseph William

I went to your website and I liked it. It’s good.

Me

(laughing silently to myself because I know my website isn’t quite there yet) I will do your site like the example you have provided me. The estimate is $2000 and $100 every year after that for domain renewal and hosting services. I require half to begin and the other half to be paid when I am finished. Do you agree with these terms?

Joseph William

Yes. Can you send me the estimate? (no response of relief or surprise to my taking the cost down from 10-15K to 2K.)

Me

Yes, I will do that.

End phone conversation. Back to email.

Me

Hi Joseph,

Attached is the estimate for your website project. Please sign, date it, and email a photo copy of it back to me. Please send me the content and logo for your website. When you’re ready to begin, please send me your first payment via Venmo or PayPal.

Thank you,

Gretchen


ATTACHMENT: pdf of Estimate

Joseph William

Thanks for your response, I am okay with the estimate and I wanna proceed so I will pay $1,000 deposit payment for the job using my credit card so work can commence ASAP, I understand the content for this site would be needed so as for the job to commence so regarding the content and I will need a little favor from you And the reason why I need this favor from you is because the consultant that has the content and logo for the website does not have the facility to charge credit cards and I also Am presently in the pediatric surgeon with my daughter for her surgery so I will be glad if you can help me out with this favor.

Me

Hi Joseph,

What favor do you need?

Gretchen

Joseph William

The favor I need from you is. I would give you my card info’s to charge for the sum of $15,200. so $1000 would be a down payment for my website design and the remaining $14,000 you would help me send it to the project consultant that has the text content and the logo for my website so once he has the $14,000 he would send the text content and logo needed for my website to you also the funds would be sent to him via Instant transfer or cashier check into his account sending of funds would be after funds clears into your account And also $200tip for your stress so I will be looking forward to read back from you.

Me

Joseph,

That’s a heck of a lot of money for just content. Sounds like your content guy is scamming you and that’s the last thing you need with your daughter in the hospital. I recommend you don’t do business with him. Go to someone else with more reasonable prices. You shouldn’t pay more than $1,000.


When someone tries to scam another person like that some people feel violated and develop a sense of fear. Most who have been scammed gain a fundamental knowledge of the nature of scammers. It’s kind of like immunizations. People become immunized to scammers when they have already been scammed or when they have read about how scammers work.


Some people who have been scammed go out and try to scam other people. Because they don’t have enough money to live, they are trying to obtain it. Maybe they live in a place where the government isn’t functioning properly so they can’t get a regular paying job. Maybe they don’t even realize what their personal talents and strengths are and how valuable they are to other people. They’ve been taken advantage of all their life so they become someone who tries to take advantage of other people to get their needs met. It’s not wrong that they have needs. It’s just a misconception that the only way they can meet their needs and find happiness in this world is by using their talents and strengths to take advantage of other people.


The cool thing is — and there are so many people who don’t know about this — that there is someone who can help them regardless of the difficult situation they are in. That person is Jesus Christ. I know lots of people have spoken of him in so many different ways. But here’s the truth: He is watching all of us. When we scam people, he can’t protect us because we’re breaking his law. And when we’re not protected, other scammers will scam us. But when we do good to people and seek to get our needs met in an honest way, Jesus Christ protects us from scammers and helps us obtain our needs. Call it Karma. Call it the Universe, or whatever you want. But he will make it so we have enough for our needs. His promise is prosperity and an abundant life. That doesn’t mean we won’t have any trials and conflicts. We will. But that’s the even cooler thing. The trials make us stronger. When we choose to obtain our needs with honesty even though it means we may struggle to a certain extent, our knowledge, talents, and strengths grow. We become more than what we once were. It’s in these times of need that we get the best ideas to solve our problems without taking advantage of others.


I wish your content guy, who is apparently scamming you, knew all this. I wish he understood that joy is only obtained through an honest and voluntary day’s work. As long as the work we do and the struggles we go through are voluntary, we gain a higher ability to love. And voluntary love is what brings us joy. That doesn’t mean we voluntarily let scammers take advantage of us. That means that we do the best we can to find people to work with who also desire to voluntarily work. These are people who have our back, while we have theirs. And let’s face it, joy is where it’s at. Who cares about money when the price is to live in sorrow, misery, or shear boredom. And part of the reason we live in sorrow is that we don’t understand how valuable we are. We don’t understand that we’re actually needed. We have a role to play in this world that is very important. We need to find out what that is and play it. That’s when true happiness will be sustainably ours.


So, you originally asked me for 10-15K for your website. At this point in my career, it would have been taking advantage of you to accept that amount of money. I chose not to scam you. I chose to give you a fair price -$2K. And because I did that, I showed you that I had your back. I am someone you can trust. So when you look for a new content guy, make sure you find someone you can trust.


Sincerely,

Gretchen

Joseph William

(No Answer, as of the date this article was written. Will update if he does.)